Jesus and the Forces of Death: Ritual Purity in the Gospels - Episode 159
This week, Carey continues the Purity Series by digging into Matthew Thiessen’s Jesus and the Forces of Death: The Gospels’ Portrayal of Ritual Impurity within First-Century Judaism—and uses it as a springboard to talk about atonement, purification, and why “apocalypse” is not just end-times hype.
A core thread: modern readers (and plenty of scholars) often read Jesus as if he’s against Jewish purity, when the Gospels actually portray him as rescuing people from the forces of ritual impurity—with a “contagious holiness” that overwhelms impurity at its source.
In this episode, you’ll hear about:
- Why we misread the Gospels when we unconsciously import our modern conceptual world into a first-century purity framework (a frame-semantics problem)
- The common scholarly false dichotomy: “Jewish holiness vs Jesus’ mercy,” and why it fails
- A helpful map for thinking clearly: holy/profane (common) and pure/impure as distinct-but-related categories
- Why “ritual impurity vs moral impurity” can be a useful discussion tool—but isn’t quite a clean biblical taxonomy
- “Death-logic,” sacred space, and why childbirth (surprisingly) gets pulled into the conversation
- How this connects to Genesis (childbirth, Eden as sacred space, exile from the presence, Sabbath, and the start of death)
- Demonic impurity / unclean spirits: why Genesis 6/Nephilim and 1 Enoch matter, but don’t “solve” everything—and why you have to account for broader ancient exorcism
- Apocalyptic vs prophetic genre: prophecy as covenant lawsuit and warning to rebels; apocalypse as hope for the faithful and God “breaking in”
- A bridge into the atonement conversation: how “atonement” language can mean purification/purgation of sacred space, and how that differs from broader “at-one-ment” reconciliation talk
Referenced
- Matthew Thiessen, Jesus and the Forces of Death
- Andrew Rillera, Lamb of the Free (and the PSA conversation)
- Jacob Milgrom and “death-logic”
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00:00 - Thiessen, purity, atonement, apocalypse vs prophecy
04:37 - The big misread: “Jesus vs Jewish purity”
08:52 - Unclean spirits, sickness/wholeness, and why “unclean” is a category worth studying
12:37 - Jesus vs the forces of death (impurity, conflict, cross, resurrection)
13:28 - PSA debates and why Lamb of the Free is in this conversation
16:51 - “Atonement”: at-one-ment vs purification/purgation (word-logic matters)
19:12 - Invite: the Lamb of the Free study group on On This Rock
21:24 - Genesis Marks the Spot: death, child birth, sacred space, exile, Sabbath
25:25 - Genesis as “proto” + why Leviticus becomes essential
26:12 - Two binaries: holy/common and pure/impure
31:07 - Ritual vs moral impurity: helpful distinction, messy taxonomy
34:31 - “Death logic” (Milgrom), chaos/order, and why impurity matters
40:14 - Childbirth, blood, and why “death” gets linked to impurity
44:45 - Apocalypse: what it is (and isn’t) + why genre matters
54:58 - Eschatology reflections: prophecy vs apocalypse
59:19 - Demonic impurity beyond 1 Enoch: demons, bodies, exorcism, and kingdom signs