Carey sits down with Mike Chu to talk through the new Unseen Realm - Expanded Edition, how Heiser clarified his stance on creeds, why frame semantics and ancient contexts matter, and why a Christotelic reading (aimed at the eschaton) can keep Scripture’s big story intact. Along the way: pastoral cautions about celebrity culture, the value of scholarship and seminary, and a practical reframing of Imago Dei as being made as God's image (not merely "in" it). Highlights include: Heiser’s "non-credal" (not anti-credal) posture, Genesis 6 in an exilic frame, and how holiness as "other" reshapes baptism, worship, and daily vocation.
- What's actually new in Unseen Realm (Expanded Edition) and why it matters for teachers and small-group leaders
- Heiser on creeds: non-credal vs anti-credal, and using creeds as boundaries, not as an interpretive lens
- Christocentric vs Christotelic: aiming at the end goal of Christ (including the Spirit and the Eschaton)
- Reading Genesis 6 with an exilic Mesopotamian frame vs a Mosaic/Egyptian frame
- Imago Dei as vocation: "made as God's image," and why that lands pastorally
- The completion of [AWKNG School of Theology's](https://awkng.com/) "Seminary on a Thumb Drive" initiative
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Music credit: "Marble Machine" by Wintergatan
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Link to the original Marble Machine video by Wintergatan: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IvUU8joBb1Q&ab_channel=Wintergatan
00:00:00 Welcoming Mike; DCW year ahead & community vibe
00:05:01 Expanded Edition notes (preface timeline, Awakening)
00:06:46 "Vibe shift": hunger for scholarship & plain speech
00:08:34 Pushback & avoiding Heiser-only celebrity culture
00:10:21 Listening - labels; scholarly retrieval as discipleship
00:21:05 Heiser and the Creeds: Non-credal, Not Anti-credal
00:25:21 Christocentric vs Christotelic (aiming at the eschaton)
00:35:59 Theological Messaging: God with Us
00:41:28 Genesis 6: Exilic Mesopotamian Frame vs Mosaic/Egyptian
00:48:05 The value of listening in scholarly study
00:53:24 Imago Dei: "as" God’s image, not merely "in" (pastoral payoffs)
00:58:55 Why we need teachers who do the dirty work
01:05:12 Are seminaries cemetaries?
01:09:21 The value of learning in cohorts
01:12:36 Diversity, cohesion, and the need to find support
01:17:47 Remind, Remind, Remind: Don't lose your identity
01:24:07 Wrapping up thoughts on The Unseen Realm Expanded Edition
01:24:08 AWKNG School of Theology: Seminary on a Thumb Drive
